This debate is melting my head and one side has to be lying or completely ignorant, please enlighten me.?

Question

People are releasing CO2 which is a greenhouse gas into the atmosphere, so surely this is increasing global temperatures by definition but I keep reading that its the increased global temperature that is heating the oceans and releasing their dissolved supply of CO2 into the atmosphere. This is just one point that is confusing the hell out of me.

Answer 1

Yes I believe so !!!

Answer 2

Read: "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming", Christopher C. Horner tears the cover off the Left's manipulation of environmental issues for political purposes -- and lays out incontrovertible evidence of the fact that global warming is just more Chicken-Little hysteria, not actual science.



No, Al, the sky is not falling...



Proof: media hype and deceptive Al Gore slide shows notwithstanding, greenhouse gas concentrations demonstrably do not determine temperatures



The mainstream media's routinely sloppy, inaccurate reporting about evidence of global warming and other environmental matters



More proof: The hole in the ozone layer -- the 1980s manmade environmental crisis -- was caused by the Antarctic atmosphere's being too cold



How environmentalists throughout modern history have instilled fear over one looming "crisis" or another with the aim of increasing government control over things big and small



Why the environmental alarmists do whatever they can to avoid actual debate



The environmentalist movement: not a grassroots phenomenon driven by scruffy idealists but an elite-driven movement that lards the coffers of pressure campaigns with wealth -- commonly inherited, often corporate, and far too-frequently looted from the taxpayer



Recent studies that have shown that the environment is actually flourishing -- and how the greens have turned even these into evidence of our imminent doom



"To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem": the environmentalists' openly anti-human agenda



How real pollution problems can be addressed through the technological improvements that the Left is doing all it can to obstruct



Al Gore's global warming jihad: how it will lead to massively higher costs and direct or indirect energy rationing -- and probably many measures that are even worse



How much of the budget for environmental pressure groups comes directly from taxpayers -- through grants for public "education" and congressional schemes designed to subsidize the greens' lawyers



Green lunacy run amok: how even respectable political figures (and Slick Willie) say that the environmental damage caused by American industry is a greater threat than terrorism



Why, as with other political crusades that fail in the arena of representative democracy, the greens now see the courts and supranational bodies as their best hopes



How environmental policies come with a cost, often to the society as a whole, decreasing wealth, and so harming health -- dangers the average environmentalist ignores



How greens worship primitive lifestyles from afar, while those mired in them would kill to escape them



How, almost without fail, global warming skeptics are charged with being stooges of industry -- a charge that neither addresses the skeptic's criticism or question, nor reflects the fact that most of "industry" now actually supports the alarmists' agenda



Ethanol: sobering evidence that it might not be good for the environment -- and how the damage to soil from single-crop farming is probably more real than global warming



How the risks of climate change policy far outweigh the risks that might realistically be expected as climate continues to change

It's time to stand up to the environmentalist industry and insist: human beings are not the enemy. In breezy, light-hearted and always entertaining fashion, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming (and Environmentalism) gives you the facts you need to do so.



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Answer 3

It is called a feedback loop... Humans increase the amount of CO2 into the atmosphere (from 280 ppmv, Pre-industrial to current levels are about 370 ppmv) which increases average temperature of the oceans. As the temperature of the oceans increase they give off stored CO2. Which again increases the average temperature of oceans... and on and on.

Answer 4

So Katrina is an effect of global warming? Really? So did global warming cause this?



"The 1933 Atlantic hurricane season is the second most active Atlantic hurricane season on record, with 21 storms forming during that year. The season, which began on June 1, 1933 and lasted until November 30, 1933, is surpassed only by the 2005 season, which broke the record with its 28 storms. The 1933 season saw tropical activity before its start, and a tropical cyclone was active for all but 13 days from June 28 to October 7. Tropical cyclones that did not approach populated areas or shipping lanes, especially if they were relatively weak and of short duration, may have remained undetected. Because technologies such as satellite monitoring were not available until the 1960s, historical data on tropical cyclones from this period are often not reliable.



Ten of the season's 21 storms attained hurricane status. Five of those were major hurricanes, with sustained winds of over 111 mph (179 km/h); the strongest reached peak winds of 150 mph (240 km/h) near the Bahamas in early October. The season produced several deadly storms, with eight storms killing more than 20 people. All but one of the 21 known storms affected land at some point during their lifetimes."



How about this?



"The 1887 Atlantic hurricane season officially began on June 1, 1887, and lasted until November 30, 1887. These dates conventionally delimit the period of each year when most tropical cyclones form in the Atlantic basin.



The 1887 season is the third most-active hurricane season on record, with 19 recorded tropical cyclones forming during the season (tied with the 1995 season). However, most of the cyclones were weak or went out to sea.



The 1887 season lasted 212 days (May 15 - December 12, 1887), making it the third longest season recorded behind the 1952 and 1908 seasons. When Tropical Storm Nineteen formed on December 7, it made the 1887 season the year with the most off-season storms (five). This final storm was also the only recorded storm to make landfall in Costa Rica.



1887 is the earliest known season to produce 13 or more tropical storms. 1887 held the record for the most active Atlantic season for 46 years until the 1933 season broke the record with 21 storms (2005 broke the record later 72 years later with 28 storms).



It is important to note, however, that prior to the 1960s, inaccuracies were inevitable since storms or depressions that did not approach populated land or shipping lanes, especially those of relatively short duration, were likely to remain undetected without today's technology (such as satellite monitoring). As a result, there may have been several more storms in the eastern and central Atlantic.(Wikipedia)



Or better yet, How about the melting of the glaciers 12,000 years ago? If you believe in global warming, you also believe the Neanderthals caused the glaciers to melt 12,000 years ago.



I would have listed my sources, but the last time I did, the sources were completely deleted for some strange reason. Guess the politicians don't want the American people to know the truth about past climate history.



Use your search engine and type in "global warming swindle" or "doomsday called off", and you'll discover the truth.

Answer 5

Im not sure where you read that CO2 is escaping the ocean. The things I have read about the ocean is that they are becoming more acidic. The source I list has an excellent article and I hope it helps you understand this topic better.

Answer 6

CO2 has multiple different sources including both that you just listed. It's sort of a viscious cycle

Answer 7

Read the very first link, it is long but provides tons of information.



I know most people will not read this post, they will just give me a thumbs down so here’s a summary of questions for the global warming crowd to think about, these have not been answered or even acknowledged by the global warming community.

- Why does CO2 always rise after temperature?

- Why is Mars warming?

- If temperature is raise by CO2 than why did global temperature drop between 1940 and 1970 while CO2 continued to rise?

- Why is the troposphere cooling if the greenhouse effect is the source of the earth’s warming?

- What about the numerous studies showing the sun is the cause of temperature change?

- Who funds global warming scientists?

- Why is a scientific consensus claimed?

- Why can you still see marks on rocks that mark the water level in the 1800’s?

- Why is the center of the artic and Antarctic ice shelves cooling?

- Why are the same glaciers retreating on one edge and expanding on the other?

Finally read this:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=56dd129d-e40a-4bad-abd9-68c808e8809e



The idea of man made global warming is false; it is based on false, misinterpreted, or biased evidence. When “An Inconvenient Truth” came out it was supposed to be the final word in proving global warming exists, but it did not. It was hosted solely by a politician who has no scientific training and presented only 2 graphs. According to these sources almost everything Al Gore claimed was either false or greatly exaggerated.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/gore.html

http://www.cei.org/pdf/5539.pdf

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef&k=99551&p=1

For a movie that debunks global warming (hosted by actual scientists and presenting more than 2 graphs) look here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170&q=great+global+warming+swindle

This scientist says it will be a joke in 5 years:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaruherald/4064691a6571.html



One of the biggest claims by the global warming crowd is that there is a scientific consensus, this is a blatant and shameful lie. This claim is made to coerce you into belief because there is no opposition, right? Wrong, these 17,000+ scientists would disagree with the idea of a scientific consensus. http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

Come to think of it when is the last time you heard that there is a scientific consensus that actually cited numbers? There never has been, people will claim that 90% of scientists agree, this number is made up. Here are the real numbers:

http://w3g.gkss.de/G/Mitarbeiter/bray.html/BrayGKSSsite/BrayGKSS/WedPDFs/Science2.pdf

http://www.staff.livjm.ac.uk/spsbpeis/Scienceletter.htm

It seems there is a scientific consensus against global warming.

Some people will ask if I expect all the scientists who agree with global warming will come out one day and say we were joking, fooled you. No I don’t believe that, this will happen:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=c5e16731-3c64-481c-9a36-d702baea2a42

Here’s 21 pages of disagreement:

http://www.climatechangedebate.org/documents/CCD_read.pdf



Here’s some general information on my position.

http://www.abd.org.uk/green_myths.htm

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/prog1.htm#suspend

http://www.trac.org.au/cgi-bin/test?page=/myths/top10.htm

http://home.austarnet.com.au/yours/Dont_Believe_Global_Warming.html

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy

http://www.fcpp.org/pdf/TimBallJan2607handouts.pdf

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/files/ScienceIsntSettled.pdf

http://www.trac.org.au/myths/GreenhouseHysteria.pdf

http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/Carter/laying_ten_global_warming_myths.html

http://www.john-daly.com/

http://www.free-eco.org/articleDisplay.php?id=294

http://www.fcpp.org/main/media_file_wm.php?StreamID=536

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/

http://www.bkdesign.ca/blog/reports/global-warming-myth.php



The central claim by the global warming crowd is that human generated CO2 is causing the current warming of the earth, this is false. An ice core sample like the one Al Gore showed actually shows the opposite, temperature rises the concentration of CO2.

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/atmosphere/IceCores1.gif

The global warming crowd hardly ever shows this graph, they will only show graphs of the last 50 years or so, that is because if you take any particular 50 years it appears that CO2 is leading temperature, go ahead try it with the spike 250,000 years ago.

This is because a rise in temperature causes the sea to give up stored CO2:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-05/teia-csh051107.php

Here’s another ice core study that clearly shows a cyclical pattern in earth’s temperature, we are currently at a warming phase.

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/ninelieslaunch.pdf#search=%22vostok%20figure%20125%22

The main greenhouse gas is water vapor, which accounts for 95% of the greenhouse effect, CO2 only accounts for 3.6%. It makes up only .03% of our atmosphere. Of that only a about 6Gt of that comes from humans another 150Gt comes from animals.

This is the official NASA CO2 center, they have been studying atmospheric CO2 long before global warming was an issue, they conclude that CO2 is not the cause of warming.

http://oco.jpl.nasa.gov/science.html

If the earth was warming due to the greenhouse effect the troposphere would also be warming thus radiating the heat to the surface of the earth, but its not, the troposphere is actually cooling, only the earths surface is heating pointing to a more direct source of warming.

http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/temperature/

And the claim that our current levels of CO2 are unprecedented are also false:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming051407.htm

If CO2 determines temperature why did the temperature drop between the years of 1940 and 1970 while the concentration of CO2 increased?



The sun is causing our warming along with interplay between the sea currents. For proof look at the fact that mars is also warming.

http://web.dmi.dk/solar-terrestrial/space_weather/

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/The_Geologic_Record_and_Climate_Change.pdf

http://www.livescience.com/environment/070312_solarsys_warming.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

http://biocab.org/Global_Warming.html

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/mgs-092005.html

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/mgs-092005.html

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2000-03/UoCS-Nrol-1903100.php

http://www.aip.org/enews/physnews/2003/split/642-2.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060926_solar_activity.html

http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=900

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/08/040803093903.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18397549/

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/17jan_solcon.htm



Time to dispel myths of global warming:

1) Last year was the hottest year on record.

False, a number of sources above address this and so does this one

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-329es.html

The world has actually cooled since 1998.

2) This warming is unprecedented.

False the medieval warm period was actually warmer. Grapes were grown in England, trees existed in place where there are now glaciers.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-329es.html

3) Glaciers are melting.

False, only portions are melting the cores are actually cooling. Some edges are decreasing while other expand.

http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=192

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2005/03/growing_glacier.html

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA235.html

4) Sea levels will increase 20 feet flooding costal cities.

False this is a lie by Al gore, even the IPCC does not agree with this. The seas are increasing in some areas and decreasing in others.

http://www.climateark.org/articles/1999/markhotd.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2004/s1107203.htm

http://globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:Holocene_Sea_Level_png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

5) This current idea is a first climate crisis.

False, in the 1970’s there was a scare of global cooling. A scientific consensus was claimed, evidence poured in, and now, global warming. Hundreds of studies came in supporting the idea but we now know this idea was wrong.

http://www.michaelkubacki.com/cooling.htm

6) Computer models predict further warming.

The computer models are unreliable, they all depend on dozens of assumptions, if any one is wrong the whole model is wrong. Also every model assumes human CO2 causes temperature increase so the outcome is always more warming. Computer models by scientists on the other side predict cooling.

7) The only scientists who disagree are paid by big oil.

This is false, most are paid by non partisan groups. This also begs a counter question, who pays global warming scientists? The answer big environmental companies who make millions off selling global warming materials, alternate fuels, green living products, etc.



Now the IPCC. Some will claim that the IPCC addressed solar impact and natural sources of CO2, they didn’t, see for yourself:

http://www.ipcc.ch/activity/srccs/index.htm

The IPCC is a political organization that knows what it will conclude before it starts its science. It has published a fake graph (the hockey stick graph) and later had to retract the report after THEY admitted it was wrong, yet they still use the graph. Scientists who disagreed with global warming were either excluded or censored.

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/000318chris_landsea_leaves.html

http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/Sept1004GlobalWarmingPG.pdf

http://www.john-daly.com/forcing/moderr.htm

http://www.john-daly.com/guests/un_ipcc.htm

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=63ab844f-8c55-4059-9ad8-89de085af353&k=0

http://www.sepp.org/Archive/NewSEPP/ipccreview.htm



If you actually read this post you should at least realize that global warming is not an absolute truth, it is the subject of active scientific debate.

Answer 8

WHO OR WHAT IS TO BLAME



Irresponsible Agriculture , expanding populations and its effects are the planets biggest enemies.



This text only covers some aspects of Climate change ,i.e.effects of deforestation and subsequent man made desertification ,because of irresponsible farming using chemicals ,over pumping carbon aquifers,over grazing ,wild fires (because of slash and burn gone out of control).



Water and air polution ,such as caused by

industrial contamination ,the contaminating effects of the cities(the internal combustion engine) ,are other stories.



All of these are also man made ,such as the high industrial chimneys pumping contamination into the clouds and the burning of tires,some of this polution has been found in the ice in the polar regions.



There are natural cycles in the planets life

but a lot is influenced by mans existance ,this is increasing with overpopulation,putting strains on Natural resources and increasing contaminations .



The thinner ozone layer helps to speed this up. This is caused mainly by air polution ,also as a result of mans actions.



In North Africa,India,Mexico ,millions of people are effected by land loss , desertification and some have died as a result.



Now many animals are becoming sick because of changes in temperature .

Vital links in the food chains are disapearing affecting other species further along in the chain .



We are witness to a mass exstinction ,for the first time since the dinosaurs.

Of the earth's estimated 10 million species, 300,000 have vanished in the past 50 years.

Each year, 3,000 to 30,000 species become extinct.



Everything is happening so fast it is not possible to monitor things any more.



The Sahara is growing by 7 kilometers a year.

Most of the desserts are as a results of mans actions.And they are increasing .In the dinosaurs days ,there were few desserts.



Collectively this planet is drying up .



Each degree rise in temperature means 10%crop loss



There is less and less water (because of deforestation),to irrigate Agriculture.



Arable lands and their farms are lost all over the globe. Many farmers sons abandon farming and head for the cities.



Northern China is drying up, what once were millions of food producing people, are now hungry refugees ,running for their lives from the all consuming dust storms.



This will have a great effect on world food prices when they start buying at what ever cost, to feed their people.



The farmers that are left have to feed some 70 million more people than the year before but with less topsoil(because of desertification and irreverible erosion)



Over the last half century,

Population growth & rising incomes have tripled world grain demand from 640 million tons to 1,855 million



In the near future the global farming community will not be able to feed every body ,food prices will continue to rise. .



RISING SEAS

The northpole is melting ,and we will know it without ice in our life times.

This does not affect the sea level ,because it is ice that is already in the water.but the melting ice from Green land and the south pole ,and the Glaziers is potable water lost forever and rises the sea levels.



Are We responsible ?

Is it the Sun?

Is it God who wants to punish us?

Is it Gaia who wants to clean some parasitic infestation?

Is it a Natural cycle?



Who cares ? that is not important any more

WHAT IS important -is that we are gonna be in trouble



WHAT CAN WE DO????????????????



The best we can do as individuals is be more responsible ,in our own neck of the woods



Organise well publicized clean up parties ,talk on the radio,hold citizan meetings, get the shools involved to plant trees and listen to environmental awareness talks.



If you do any cleaning up ,leave signs behind saying who cleaned,why and ask people not to start dumping rubbish again ,leave a hole or bins ,in case people come back with trash ,and they always do.



We have done a lot of comunity cleaning and if you dont leave alternatives or try to work on peoples guilt feelings (some people actually have those ,but not many) ,than your efforts are a waste of time.



That is what we do in Mexico.



POSITIVE ACTIONS

Print Tshirts with slogans ,hang posters all over the place (with recycled paper if possible).



Classify trash, take out all the organic waste and make compost with it ,the worst you can do is throw it with the trash,or burn it .



70% of contamination is due to organic waste that is mixed in with the garbage .

and it is just as bad in the sewer where it helps to breed rats and in the landfill it poisons the ground .



This is the easiest to take care of .



First of all we have to clasify trash ,at least keep the organic to one side ,like in a plastic bin with a lid .



If you got a few meters of ground ,you only need 1 or 2 square meters in a shallow hole ,(in the shade) ,that you can wet now and again .



Where you dump everything that is organic .

Toilet paper,bones vegetable cuttings ,eggshells,

deadbodies ,excrement ,cardboard,leaves,

shredded paper,old clothes (if they are organic),



Cover regularly with leaves or a piece of plastic,

to keep humid and to hide any smell .

REGULARLY spray some water over it ,but do not saturate it or the worms will die or leave.

The worms will decompose the wastes, turning it into beautifull black soil for the garden of flower pots .



If you are in a apartment ,if you have a balcony get a big plastic bin drill some holes in the side and lid ,



and add a few buckets of sand now and again to put over the trash ,you should realy stir or move the stuff at times to airate it ,and ensure that the decomposition is even ,keep moist



this rubbish does not get big very fast and the thing works for a long time with out getting full



----------------------Some more Positive thoughts

Global warming cannot be stopped but being friendlier to our Environment cannot be bad and maybe we buy some time.



If you want to help the planet ,plant a tree every week ,if everyone on the planet did we we would be able to slowdown the destructive processes.



Reduce carbon emisions,and they are already working on that ,by alternative forms of energy We need more regulations on carbon production.

Dont use aerosol cans,

Dont burn trash

Limit water use

Recicling wastes.



AGRICULTURE must invest in

Waterharvesting projects ,(such as thousands of small dams).to redirect over ground waterflows from the rains into the ground to supply subteranian water supplies.



Assist the capture of carbon and the production of water by promoting Reforestation.



The world bank pays large subsidies for reforrestation to capture carbon and the best tree for this is the Pawlonia .



Agricultural education and improvements to follow the principals of sustainability and soil management



GOVERNMENT

The protection of existing forrests.

Stop building more highways,

Urban planning to include vegetation

Stop building cities encourage people to return to the land to conduct their business from there ,which now has become possible thanks to the internet.



More environmental or land ,design to prevent bush fires,such as--fire breaks .

More dams,regulations and control for public behaviour.

Alternative effeciant public transport to discourage the use of the internal conbustion engine.



SCHOOL SYSTEMS

Education to motivate people to auto sufficiency by building more home food gardens.

Education on environmental awareness.

Education on family planning ,to curb overpopulation.



Here are a 100 more ways

http://www.eco-gaia.net/forum-pt/index.p... Source(s) Lester E Brown is the director and founder of the global institute of Environment in the United states .he has compiled a report based on all the satalite information available from NASA,and all the information that has

come from Universities and American embassies WORLD WIDE ,

his little book--a planet under stress , Plan B has been trans lated into many languages and won the best book award in 2003