Question:
Is global warming a real threat?
Phill Senters
2009-08-18 03:20:23 UTC
What about global cooling? What do you think?

http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/global-warming-or-cooling/
29 answers:
Keith P
2009-08-18 09:27:13 UTC
Thanks for listing twelve quotes from newspapers. Here are a few more:

http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm



Now if you want anybody to take you seriously, try listing twelve quotes from peer-reviewed science. Here's one:



"An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales."

http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1&ct=1



If you can do that, you'll have a legitimate beef. If you can't, you're just another guy who "knows" a lot of stuff that isn't true.
bravozulu
2009-08-18 03:32:51 UTC
It is nothing but a politically inspired fairytale. Only an idiot would be worried about the much less than one degree that could be attributed to humans without their hysterical propaganda and lies.
britishbuddha
2009-08-18 03:34:55 UTC
Only those that do the research can tell you that. But with so many studies conflicting with each other, even then you won't get a definitive answer. It also depends on your definition of a 'real' threat.



You also have to take in the fact that most governments, organisations and individual people have an agenda to push so the question of who can be believed has to be answered before yours.



(Just look at the answers above, and the opinions of each answer. Nothing unbiased, all opinionated)



In my opinion, 'global warming' is somewhat of an archaic term now, our knowledge of what is happening has moved on and the term 'climate change' is more of an accurate definition. Changing, is in fact what the climate is predestined to do whatever we do or did.
phillipk_1959
2009-08-22 00:33:26 UTC
No.
pinkLITHIUMan
2009-08-21 21:40:29 UTC
Yes, but people don't care!I think that maybe next 10 yrs. there will be the next NOAH and his arch!

haha!
anonymous
2009-08-21 16:31:11 UTC
I'll agree with the scientists.
YoungShyCareerGirl
2009-08-18 18:44:45 UTC
no.
anonymous
2009-08-18 08:50:17 UTC
Warmer is better.



We're a long way from "too warm"



We can't control the climate.
andy
2009-08-18 06:55:28 UTC
Global warming is a real threat for the people that moved to desert areas where during cool periods there is more rain. Since we are warming up these areas will go back to being desert areas again with little rain fall. Also, since mankind has moved closer to the oceans and have more people living within known storm paths, you will see more destruction every time we have a storm make landfall.



Most of the real threats are man's own doing by moving closer to or into areas that man usually didn't settle before because of the hostile environment.
?
2009-08-18 06:12:56 UTC
Global Cooling is the REAL threat.



The Warming thing is simply conjecture at this point. There is no credible scientific evidence that Global Warming is occurring.



Get the bad surface data cleaned up.
anonymous
2009-08-20 11:37:24 UTC
Only in the naive minds of uneducated people.



Same thing.



I think that what ever nature does there is nothing man can do in order to altar it.
Rich
2009-08-20 08:21:51 UTC
Believe anything you want. Media feeds on sensation. They are loving Global Warming because it is filled with intrigue, mystery, great risk and potential loss. The few "facts" we have about weather, climate, and man-made effects are limited in perspective and shaded by politics. They love it when you use the word threat.



How can we justify sweeping changes based on the slight indicators of a few dozen years? Perhaps we can look to the planet Venus. All Earth needs to do to have run-away global heating is acquire hundreds of times more carbon than is on the planet and put it into the form of what is actually a harmless gas (carbon dioxide) so that our surface pressures are a hundred times what we have now then we will have the perfect conditions for Global Warming, just like Venus.



Geez. That's impossible, okay? It will take a long time to clear this up. Global Warming is not a threat to civilization. Not with climate change, anyway. We can adapt to climate changes. The political changes will kill us.
dragnfly42@ameritech.net
2009-08-20 19:14:01 UTC
so for those of you who have answered here and sited scientific info from 1985 to 2003...Get Real. Most of those "acceptable " scientific resources are now saying that it all is happening FASTER than anyone would have thought possible. Global Warming is real and happening Now! No longer does any reputable agency claim that it is false "media" leads. Please pull your heads out of the sand and read current articles by scientists in the fields appropriate to the problem.

Dr. Fagan wrote an expert book on Glaciations called "The Little Ice Age" Folks, we are not talking about an Ice Age, but a "glaciation".



B.U. Bridge: Boston University community's weekly newspaper

... lasted thousands of years -- those glaciations buried much of North America and ... Fagan provided many snapshots of human suffering caused in part by the Little ...www.bu.edu/bridge/archive/2001/11-02/iceage.htm



The two glaciations that developed in Europe both developed within a 18-20 year period [not the thousands of years people think about as an ice age]. One caused the Middle Ages and the black period of Western Europe.



One should understand that "The Day After" movie was taken from one of the government requested think tank scenarios on "what could possibly happen" ==> We could be facing both a Green House effect that leads to GW AND a glaciation directly due to the GW.



I just came back from a seminar on Antartica by scientific experts who spend 6 months of the year there doing research. You must know that the artic is swiftly losing their ice [our drinking water] and Antartica is changing in ways that I am currently not able to discuss.



The point here is that the facts are evidence that the Earth is changing swiftly, it isn't normal, and things will get worse before they get better.



Businesses are not going to be the front runners and banner wavers for change...They will lose money and many top heavy companies will fall.

It doesn't matter who believes or not. In the next 15 years it will be self evident and too late to change the direction. Most scientists say it is already too late to stop the devastation, but not too late to slow it down so that our younger population will survive. Survive, but not as Earth is today.
anonymous
2009-08-19 20:49:59 UTC
Global cooling had occurred before. It was known as the ice age. One of the first global cooling happened when the Appalachian Mountains absorbed incredible amounts of CO2, reducing the greenhouse effect and causing the Earth to cool drastically.



Basically too much CO2 is bad, not enough is equally is bad. And pollution and deforestation isn't helping much either.
YouAllSuck
2009-08-18 03:35:09 UTC
Well if it sways to global cooling I will just have to grab my snow board and surf board.

If it sways to global warming I guess I will become like a burnt french fry continuously baking under that horrifying heat lamp. (Don't eat me!)

[I should get one hell of a tan!]



Either way, what ever!



I seriously doubt it will happen with in my existence.

So whom ever is listening up there in that grand old sky/space, give them all hell when I am gone =D
anonymous
2009-08-18 03:48:41 UTC
what sort of question is that the only reason y there is uncertainty is because of the oil companies making it sound ok! but its not the research has been there for years and every one knows that its going to end the world so YES THE END OF THE WORLD IS A THREAT! dik do u think its made up or something, because of global warming i'm considering not having children because to do what we do and then leave it for another generation is SICK and DISGUSTING, cant believe someone would ask this, its like asking did 9/11 happen or was it a film?? idiots!!
?
2009-08-18 03:32:28 UTC
Personally I believe that global warming is a natural thing that happens to the earth in cycles but i do, however believe that we are speeding it up with all our gas emission and the CO 2 build up.



There has been conspiracies that the government of the USA made the global warming idea up (or at least emphasized it) because they were worried that places in the middle east (where there is lots of oil) were becoming too rich. Because people want to be 'greener' they use less oil and hybrid cars are being produced and alternative energy sources. This means the oil is less in demand and so the US government stays on top.?



These are all unproven thoughts but who knows...
vodarevu 1944
2009-08-18 04:10:24 UTC
Yes it is real threat. Why not reduce or stop this happening We all know in one way or the other that we are destroying this planet in all its form.Why should we be told by lots and lots of people not to waste our natural resources etc May be some time in future there will be very little left for our grand children and great grand children to see on this planet It is unfortunate..I believe that we all should try and reduce this happening
bournvita_95
2009-08-18 05:31:23 UTC
Yes it is a real threat

About global cooling you'll get on this page-

http://www.dinosauria.com/jdp/news/freeze.html
Banana
2009-08-18 03:27:24 UTC
Of course it is, you would be stupid and moronic to think otherwise with all this scientific research and information to back it up. e.g. Since 1870 their has been a 0.6 degree increase in the earths atmosphere... hmmm i wonder if thats global warming or global "cooling"?
belladonna112
2009-08-18 03:32:27 UTC
It is a real threat. The earth will actually revolt. It was global warming that added to our last ice age.
?
2009-08-18 03:27:55 UTC
I like the term "global weirding". It is more descriptive of what actually happens due to the phenomenon called global warming.
MTRstudent
2009-08-18 06:05:29 UTC
Notice how all of those 'references' are from the popular media.



If you only base your opinion on peer reviewed scientific papers, then you will see a pretty much unanimous statement on warming.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686



Feel free to look at as many papers as you want; googlescholar is free and easy to use:

http://scholar.google.com
cool dude
2009-08-18 07:50:28 UTC
yes it is a real threat as sea water is increasing and costal cities would be drowned in water and even ice caps are melting and there wont be ice and even weather and climate of the world migth change
★MEDITATE★Quan Yin Method
2009-08-18 03:36:09 UTC
Yes it is, there are plenty of climate refugees that needs help now.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Qlc3s8XL4
Dass
2009-08-18 03:28:15 UTC
I think it's a bit blown out of proportion, but yes.
anonymous
2009-08-19 20:00:11 UTC
No, its not real.
NMPD
2009-08-18 07:53:08 UTC
Not everything you read on the internet is true.



If you were ill would you trust a fellow blogger, a wingnut on the internet or someone who studied medicine for many years? If one maverick doctor disagrees with the consensus would you trust your life to them or the majority opinion? Global warming is highly complex, and it takes a while to fully understand what it is, why it's happening and why it's a threat. This is a potential minefield to anyone who's not an expert on the subject. To illustrate the point try this: Google geocentric theory (the idea that the sun goes round the earth) and you'll find arguments that you won't be able to counter without resorting to some form of "But everyone knows most scientists say otherwise!"



It's understandable that people want to come to their own conclusions, but by far the best way to start doing that is to look not so much at what's being said, but at WHO is saying it. These are just some of the most significant people warning us of the global warming threat:



First, the scientists:



The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). 2500+ scientific expert reviewers, 800+ contributing authors and 450+ lead authors from 130+ counties, working more than 6 years to review thousands of peer-reviewed papers. They published their first report on climate change in 1990 and have published an updated one every 5 years since then



The National Scientific Academies of the following countries issued this statement in support of the IPCC:



"The work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) represents the consensus of the international scientific community on climate change science. We recognise IPCC as the world's most reliable source of information on climate change and its causes, and we endorse its method of achieving this consensus. Despite increasing consensus on the science underpinning predictions of global climate change, doubts have been expressed recently about the need to mitigate the risks posed by global climate change. We do not consider such doubts justified."



The National Academy of Sciences (US), (founded in 1863 by Abraham Lincoln, 1 in 10 of its members is a nobel prize winner!)

American Association for the Advancement of Science (around since before the US Civil War. It's the largest scientific society in the world, with 144,000 members!)

Royal Society (United Kingdom),

Chinese Academy of Sciences,

Science Council of Japan,

Russian Academy of Sciences,

Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Brazil),

Royal Society of Canada,

Académie des Sciences (France),

Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany),

Indian National Science Academy,

Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei (Italy),

Australian Academy of Sciences,

Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts,

Caribbean Academy of Sciences,

Indonesian Academy of Sciences,

Royal Irish Academy,

Academy of Sciences Malaysia,

Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand,

Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences.



See the full statement here: http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619



Government sources:



In 2008 (i.e. still during the George W. Bush era), all 16 US intelligence agencies (who aren't normally known for being green), including the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency jointly produced a report known as the National Intelligence Assessment. The report warned of a wide of a wide range of national security threats if global warming isn't properly addressed.



The Pentagon, in 2003 (i.e. also in the George W. Bush era) released a study which warned: "There is substantial evidence to indicate that significant global warming will occur during the 21st century. ...With inadequate preparation, the result could be a significant drop in the human carrying capacity of the Earth’s environment" http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver



Governments from all around the world are meeting in Copenhagen to discuss what action to take against climate change.



John McCain promised to take action against climate change http://www.nrdc.org/onearth/04spr/mccain1.asp?r=n (again, this would suggest that it's NOT in fact a liberal plot)



Also in Britain where I live, all the major political parties, including the conservative party agree that global warming is man-made and a threat.



China has declared that it will take action on climate change http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/13/china-signals-plans-curb-greenhouse-gases-beijing-renewable/ and has recently closed coal power plants with a total of 7,467 generating units.



The president of the Maldives made the following remarkable short speech: http://vimeo.com/3661273





Corporations:



One would have thought that big corporations would be the last people to accept that global warming is real, given that many of them, particularly oil companies, may stand to lose out of consumption of their products is necessarily reduced:



Exxonmobil is an oil giant, and the largest company in the world. For a long time they have funded those who deny global warming http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/exxon-secrets. However, in 2007 they finally stated that global warming is a serious risk and must be addressed by governments.



80 global corporations including Shell, BP, Duke Energy, Michelin and British Airways wrote a document to G8 leaders calling for stronger action against climate change.



Wanna see even more sources? The list just goes on and on! Click the following link:

http://logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm#organizations



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So who are the skeptics?



At this date, there is only 1 professional scientific organization which does not concur that the science clearly points to man-made global warming being a serious threat. That's the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, who state that the globe is warming but that their membership is divided on the degree of human influence. However, this is not all that surprising when you consider that they may feel that their jobs will be threated by action taken against to prevent global warming.



The Oregon Petition/petition project etc:

An online petition which anyone can sign. The number of signers is now up to 31,000, although you may hear it quoted as a lower number if someone isn't up to date. To sign you're supposed to hold a science degree, although it can be in ANY area of science, the names are not disclosed and nobody actually checks to see if the signers really do have degrees. http://www.petitionproject.org



A compiled list of 400 scientists against global warming:

Amazingly, some people on this list are counted multiple times, and many are not scientists but engineers, inventors, economists etc.



A few think tanks and advocacy organizations (i.e. people with agendas to push, NOT scientists!):

e.g. The Heartland Institute, The Marshall Institute, The Competitive Enterprise Institute...



A small number of oft-quoted individual scientists.

Robert M. Carter, Richard Lindzen, S. Fred Singer, Roy Spencer etc.

Most of these skeptics are qualified in fields other than CLIMATE science, which is the relevant field.



A slew of journalists, writers, bloggers and documentary makers who present different versions of events, where global warming is portrayed as shambles/conspiricy/liberal plot. They are pretty successful at convincing people, because your average member of the public doesn't know any better.



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It's easy to think that you've found a serious hole in the global warming argument, when in fact you simply haven't properly understood it. In particular, if you go searching for holes in the argument you will surely think you've found some. However, look deeper and there are solid answers to every single one of those holes. To assume instead that ALL these scientists are lying or incompetant is paranoid to say the least! If you're curious about how certain parts of the picture add up, this website does a good job of answering the most popular skeptical concerns:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
VIPIN
2009-08-18 07:44:18 UTC
yes indeed it is .... we should stop messin' up with nature


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