Considering all the so called global warming why are the continental heat records all so long ago?

Question

Surely these hot continental temperatures should have been broken by now as the world boils and we all die due to so called catastrophic global warming?

Continent Max Temperature Location Date
Africa 57.8C (136.0 °F) Al 'Aziziyah, Libya 13 September 1922.
Antarctica 15C (59 °F) Vanda Station 5 January 1974
Asia 53.9C (129.0 °F) Tirat Zvi, Israel 21 June 1942
Europe 48.0C (118.4 °F) Athens, Greece 10 July 1977
N America 56.7C (134.1 °F) Death Valley, U.S.A. 10 July 1913
Oceania 50.7C (123.3 °F) Oodnadatta Australia 2 January 1960
S America 48.9C (120.0 °F) Rivadavia, Argentina 11 December 1905

Note the dates as they are all so long ago apart from Antarctica as we only started measuring there fairly recently. Isn't this strange considering all of the so called extra catastrophic global warming and poisonous deadly CO2 released since then as according to global warming theory you would think it would be recently warmer in just one small part of each continent? Where are these tipping points?

Answer 1

Those records must be before NOAA "corrected" the records. I'm sure it wasn't really that hot.

http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/12/noaa-ncdc-pursue-goal-of-warmest-year-ever-for-2010-release-newly-fabricated-global-temperatures.html

Answer 2

I’m not sure how much you’ll like this but… your list is based on weather stations only and these record temperatures at a limited number of specific points on the planet. The satellite record is far more comprehensive as it measures temperatures across the entire surface of the Earth.



In which case, the highest ever temperature is 70.7°C recorded in the Lut Desert in Iran in 2005.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=7149



Try to remember, global warming does not mean that every part of the world has seen a dramatic increase in temperature. Globally the average temperature has risen by a little under 1°C, this does not mean that every high temperature record will be smashed. In reality it means that the likelihood of setting a new high temperature record has increased and the likelihood of a new cold record has decreased.



Given that there are only seven datapoints in your list means that no reliable conclusion can be drawn. We need to look at something that has much wider scope and is more representative of what’s actually happening in the world.



Instead of being selective it makes sense to look at every major temperature record that has been broken. When we do this we find that in 2010 there were been 349 all time highs and 17 all time lows. If we extend this back over the last 10 years then there have been 941 highs and 149 lows.

http://www.mherrera.org/temp.htm

http://www.mherrera.org/records.htm



If we look at individual countries we find that there were no all time cold records set last year but all time highs were set in Tokelau, Colombia, Solomon Islands, Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, Myanmar (twice), Pakistan, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Chad, Niger, Sudan, Russia (thrice), Qatar, Finland, Cyprus, Belarus (twice), Ukraine, Martinique and Zambia.



If you choose to focus on such a miniscule amount of the available data then it’s possible to falsely draw any conclusion you want. I could look out of the window and see seven cars parked (the same number of points you referenced) and from what I see could conclude that there are no cars more than 4 years old, there are no white cars anywhere, no cars have engines larger than 2.4 litres and every car has four doors. If I went and stood by the roadside and sampled 100 cars or 1000 cars then this ‘conclusion’ would almost certainly fall apart.



PS: Didn’t you ask this question a month ago https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20101124155327AAVOEaZ



PPS: ‘Athens’ weather station is not subject to the urban heat island effect as it’s not in Athens. The record temp was recorded jointly at Elefsina and Tatoi, both are several miles out of the city. The Arctic has only been melting since about 1960 http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ and is presently at a record low for the time of year http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm



Edit: Guess who’s online at the moment manically logging in and out of multiple accounts so as to give everyone he doesn’t agree with multiple thumbs down. Is that really the best you can do? Your level of desperation is truly pathetic and the only person you’re fooling is yourself (not hard to do).

Answer 3

You have a nice collection of anomalies.



Death Valley is always unreasonable hot during the day, that is why it is called Death Valley.



There is also evidence that it was colder then.

-45 degrees Fahrenheit January 20, 1937 Boca, California



Asia −68 °C (−90 °F) Verkhoyansk and Oymyakon, both in Sakha Republic, Russia 1892-02-07

Austria −37.4 °C (−38.6 °F) Sonnblick 1905-01-01

Answer 4

As another data point,



Asia: Pakistan, 129F, 26 May 2010.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/pakistan-record-temperatures-heatwave



I don't know if it's official, but it's not like record highs or near-records are a thing of the past.



Further, record highs now outnumber record lows in the US by more than 2 to 1, and it's been on a steady increase since at least the 70s:

http://www2.ucar.edu/news/1036/record-high-temperatures-far-outpace-record-lows-across-us

http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/images/temps_2.jpg



So even though we haven't yet bested that one location - Death Valley in 1913 - there are plenty of other places seeing record highs, vastly outnumbering places seeing record lows.



Edit: whether or not it says anything about climate change, here are the corresponding record lows:



Africa: −23.9 °C (−11 °F) Ifrane, Morocco 11 February 1935

Antarctica: −89.2 °C (−129 °F) Vostok Station 21 July 1983

Asia: −67.8 °C (−90 °F) Verkhoyansk, Siberia, Russia 5 February 1892

Europe: −58.1 °C (−73 °F) Ust-Shchuger, Russia 31 December 1978

North America: −66.1 °C (−87 °F) North Ice, Greenland 9 January 1954

Oceania: −23 °C (−9.4 °F) Charlotte Pass, New South Wales, Australia 29 June 1994

South America: −32.8 °C (−27 °F) Sarmiento, Argentina 1 June 1907



Interestingly, in 5 of the 7 cases the record low is more recent than the record high.



I'm not convinced that picking out 5 locations & points in time on 5 continents tells us a whole lot; it's a little like saying "If the women's shot put record has not been broken since 19 February 1977, why aren't women shot putters getting better on average since then?"



p.s. you people who TD factual information are cowards, simple as that.

Answer 5

You are confusing GLOBAL climate with weather, again.



You expect, almost childishly, that for Global Warming to be true, surely past record-high temperatures should have been broken by now.



If you really want to establish changing patterns in the climate, which is what climate scientists do, you have to look at 'temperature anomalies' instead of absolute temperatures, over a large area (ie, continents or the entire world) and over a long period of time (ie, a year).



"In climate change studies, temperature anomalies are more important than absolute temperature. A temperature anomaly is the difference from an average, or baseline, temperature. The baseline temperature is typically computed by averaging 30 or more years of temperature data. A positive anomaly indicates the observed temperature was warmer than the baseline, while a negative anomaly indicates the observed temperature was cooler than the baseline."



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Only if one doesn't fully understand the GLOBAL warming theory nor the science behind it could one reach such a silly conclusion. You just stated so yourself, it is just one small part of each continent, each with their very own peculiar weather conditions which rely on multiple factors. They cannot be seen, not by any stretch of the imagination of a serious climate scientist, as indicative of global warming not happening.



The real science is clear: "Each of the last ten years features in the top 11 warmest years recorded in all datasets" [from 3 different organisations]. (2)

Answer 6

The global average temperature in November was about 1.3 degrees warmer than Novermber 1980. While 1 degree is enough to alter global climate, and while the average temperature will continue to climb, the deviations in any one place from year to year are much greater than that. There is nothing about global warming that would cause every heat record in every place to be broken.

Answer 7

Global warming considers the climate.

Climate encompasses the statistics of temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, rainfall, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological elements in a given region over a long period of time. Climate can be contrasted to weather, which is the present condition of these same elements and their variations over periods up to two weeks.



The climate of a location is affected by its latitude, terrain, and altitude, as well as nearby water bodies and their currents. Climates can be classified according to the average and the typical ranges of different variables, most commonly temperature and precipitation. The most commonly used classification scheme was originally developed by Wladimir Köppen. The Thornthwaite system, in use since 1948, incorporates evapotranspiration in addition to temperature and precipitation information and is used in studying animal species diversity and potential impacts of climate changes. The Bergeron and Spatial Synoptic Classification systems focus on the origin of air masses that define the climate of a region.

Answer 8

IMO You make a perfectly sound point and it really demonstrated how pathetic the alarmists were in their attempted responses. If you made a slur against any cult, you would have elicited similar emotional (not scientific) responses from its devoted followers.

Answer 9

Look at the big picture, not cherry picked isolated data points. Then make the comparison to anthropolgical data.

The vast majority of data points one direction. Few things in life are absolute, especially in complex systems, and research. But to not take corrective actions because the research is not 100% is denial.

Sadly, I can only hope the research is wrong, because otherwise my children might know a much tougher existence.

Answer 10

Global warming has to with with a rise in average temperature over an extended number of years rather than peak temperatures.



Personally I reject the carbon emissions arguments in favor of the effects of Mother Nature. Volcano eruptions are not predictable nor are droughts, or famines. But like it or not the polar ice is melting and that is a problem.

Answer 11

Man, I wish I were as young as you, to consider 1960 to 1977 as "long ago". Have you spent much time in Libya lately? Antarctica? Even Athens? Most of these places don't have weather stations. Temperatures get measured only when someone happens to be there. It's not at all strange.