Why would any Global Warming advocate agree with this story?

Question

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/548516/North-South-poles-not-melting-Dr-Benny-Peiser

" ... Ted Maksym, an oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, conducted a study in which he sent an underwater robot into the depths of the Antarctic sea to measure the ice.

His results contradicted previous assumptions made by scientists and showed that the ice is actually much thicker than has been predicted over the last 20 years. ... "

" ... Dr Peiser, who believes the threat of global warming has been overstated by climate scientists, described this occurrence as "some kind of rebound" adding that no-one knows what will continue to happen to the poles. ... "

Just as "skeptics" have been saying all along!

Answer 1

Well let us call out the regular jokes the greenies usually pull out.



1. It wasn't reported by any peer reviewed communist rag.

2. Dr. Ted Maksym didn't have a valid undersea robot driver's license.

3. Dr. Ted Maksym is known to have said 'The Pledge of Allegiance' over twelve times.

4. Dr. Peiser or Ted Maksym was not on that ship that got stuck off the coast of Antarctica, so he is not a true fledged greenie.

5. Al Gore never heard of those guys.

6. That experiment was not sanctioned by the UN-IPCC

7. Does Dr. Ted Maksym even know what thickerer means?

8. Dr. Ted Maksym did not consult with Jeff M's charts, so he must not know how thick the ice was 6000 years ago.

9. Ted Maksym listens to Rush Limbaugh on a regular basis.

10. Bush did it.

11. Everyone knows that the ice is melting and that Manhattan is under water as we write.

12. Ted Maksym doesn't get it. The Earth is really really warming.

Answer 2

Global warming advocates stopped reading the actual studies and data and now refer to left wing blogs or conspiracy sites like Sourcewatch.



Here is the study by Dr. Maksym that the Express article is based on: http://www.tos.org/oceanography/archive/25-3_maksym.pdf



And for anyone still interested in data, here is the global sea ice extent and anomalies since 1979: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg



To accept that all sea ice will be gone any time soon would require also accepting that the trend would need to decline very sharply. Likely, there would need to be some massive physical change in something. I mean look at the top part of the above graph. Average sea ice extent has been relatively stable at about 19m sq km for the past 43 years. Even if we took the next 43 years and predicted a level of zero after that amount of time, visualize the steep dive required.

Answer 3

The Arctic and the Antarctic grow and recede in cycles we know this from the whalers log books, mainly the Arctic, we know that during the little ice age, the ice sheets came so far south that Iceland was almost circled, and then in the mid 1800's it receded so much that whaling ships were able to follow the whales far up in the Arctic circle.

Not so much is known about the Antarctic as most of the records are from recent times, the curious thing is they don't usually cycle in step, often one is growing while the other is receding.

Answer 4

Antarctic sea ice is not where the problem is. The problem with sea ice is in the arctic, where ice contributes to Earth's albedo, reflecting light and heat back to space. Antarctic sea ice does not have the same importance. This study cited in no way upturns the Global Warming hypothesis.

Answer 5

The article completely misreports Ted Maksym's excellent study. He made no statement about melting, The study was conducted in the heaviest multiyear ice area of the Weddell Sea to test the vehicle and its systems, and involved total vehicle travel of around 400 meters - a distance that obviously can't be generalized to total Antarctic sea ice. With that level of inaccuracy about one experiment, I'm not going to believe anything the article says.



Edit - the article I saw evidently covered only the first deployment - he used the vehicle to map ten floes total this year.

Nottawa - how did that quote about the vehicle come from a 2012 article when the first deployment was this year?

Answer 6

Unless there is data that shows that ice wasn't also thicker in the past than previously thought, it does not mean that ice isn't disappearing. And he only measured Antarctic sea ice, not Arctic sea ice.

Answer 7

Even though the vast majority of climate scientists say climate change is real the details may be sketchy. I mean there are some scientists who say global earning is fiction and that climate change is not man made then there are those who say it is very nan made then there are those who say it is only moderately man made, so I guess it's a bunch of different people back Ian forth taking bribes and reporting some of the facts and then there are those who report all of the facts.

Answer 8

From an alarmist point of view he is very mistaken because it's well known that the Arctic became ice free in 2013, from a realist's point of view he just confirming what normal sane people knew all along.

Answer 9

I guess they showed they don't. It seems to be easy for them to reject actual data and just go with what they read in leftwing blogs.



I digress but I saw this article on your link. http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/548178/European-Space-Agency-Planck-Milky-Way-magnetic-field

That blows me away. I had no idea a galaxy had a magnetic field. I couldn't even begin to figure out how it was created but again I digress. I love science mysteries.

Answer 10

Global warming advocates, especially those whose funding depends upon AGW, will try to discredit the story. If unsuccessful, they will play it down, ignore it, and see that it doesn't get any media coverage. They are simply protecting their next grant.



Can you blame them?

Answer 11

The only global warming advocates that I am aware of are the oil, gas and mining companies. They want to further exploit the Arctic regions and all of that pesky ice is in their way. Since these advocates are already making claims in the regions then it is highly unlikely that they would agree with Dr. Benny Peiser concerning his "new evidence". Do you know who Dr. Peisner is and that the GWPF is not the place one should seek out for their advancement in scientific knowledge?

Answer 12

You are not asking a question

you are abusing Yahoo Answer

therefore, you are an asshole

Answer 13

media problem with reporting science and deniers grasping at straws

Answer 14

i do not see how this makes agw go away.