Are there any global warmers in Britain who supported leaving the EU? Any skeptics who supported Remain? Why are the two so closely linked?
2016-06-24 09:06:39 UTC
Are there any global warmers in Britain who supported leaving the EU? Any skeptics who supported Remain? Why are the two so closely linked?
55 answers:
2016-07-02 22:35:50 UTC
Okay, so if Global Warming is a proven fact, how come the Sun had gone dead face? No surface activity which indicates a coming mini global ice age.

As for Skeptics, look no further than the British a race of natural born Skeptics always have been and always will be.

This Skeptic Isle - Peter Hitchens

My partner and me voted to remain in the EU. However, the vote was went in favor of Brexit or what the NY Post called Brexodus due to the long drawn out process of leaving and the divorce papers. But being democratic we accept the will of the people and will go along with Brexit and try to make it work.
2016-07-01 20:46:52 UTC
The global warmers have a "we're in it together" attitude toward life. It's natural that they would support remaining in the EU because it's a togetherness thing to join a union with other nations. The skeptics would have an "individualistic" attitude and naturally would be repelled by taking orders from any organization they were forced to join. The global warmers are nice people whom the skeptics consider "sheep." The skeptics are argumentative people whom the global warmers consider "inconsiderate." It takes both kinds to make a great nation.
2016-06-29 01:14:36 UTC
According to opinion polls conducted in the UK over the past few years, about 88% of the UK population believe that the climate is changing. Around 86% of people believe that change is at least partially caused by human activities.

So, the point is that there are huge discrepancies between the percentages in terms of climate change and the 52% to 48% vote to leave the EU. What I take from that is that many people who accept climate change voted to leave the EU.

The answer to your question, based on the stats, is yes. Global warmers must have voted to leave the EU. This makes sense because global warming was not a key issue on which people decided the outcome of the referendum. That was decided on issues of immigration, sovereignty, democracy, and access to growing non-EU markets.
Ben O
2016-06-27 06:15:45 UTC
I'm trying to understand why these ideas are so closely linked together.

Like most conservatives I think Brexit will benefit Britons (if you don't have a country what do you have?) and I think global warming is much alarmism about nothing.

I have some left wing relatives who think Marxism is a great idea and also passionately believe that global warming is the highest priority for the world, want to welcome refugees and also thought that Brexit was an absolute disaster.

I think people have a world view and a vision of how society should work. Everything like global warming and Brexit just gets decided based on their fundamental ideas.

A lot of people claim that "global warming deniers" don't understand science, but they are missing the obvious. There are Nobel Laureates who call global warming a scam.
2016-07-03 00:10:12 UTC
Globalism and Global Warming are man and wife. How better to unite whole continents and redistribute the property and wealth of their people than by creating a false flag disaster to get everyone to rally behind? lets examine the doomsday prophecies that never came true, shall we? Overpopulation and global famine by the year 2000, Oil should have been dried up by 2000 and lets not forget, when some of us were kids they were clamoring about Global Cooling. The O-Zone, meteors, Y2K, zombies... blah blah blah. In a nutshell, they want to give the money you earn to another country, therefore they need justification.
2016-06-30 08:33:04 UTC
As to BREXIT people are just plain fed up with tyranny. As to Global Warming, people are just fed up with being continuously lied to, high energy prices and freezing to death for no provable cause.

This is nothing new. Our country, the US, was founded on being against tyranny. I am not certain if they will get away from it in totality, but it is a step in the right direction. These poor people were promised Utopia and what did they get? People in the UK actually froze to death due to their leaders putting the Global Warming Scam before the best interests of the citizenry. For crying out loud, doesn't Parliament know that their Number 1 duty is for the safety of the public? Obviously they thought the New World Order was more important than their number 1 duty. And people can see that. Finally!
2016-06-26 06:56:17 UTC
Those who said to stay also happen to have a lot of education. IDK if this is related to level of education, but the Scottish wanted to STAY in the union too. That didn't seem to be split along income lines. When almost all climatologists accept this reality and common sense tells you that between traffic, factories, household needs, along with massive polution, why would you believe some politician whose got lobbyists telling him what to think/say?

As far as the Indepence vote, the elitist politicians may be snobby and out of touch in most things, but they are familiar with how the economy runs and all the rules/regulations involving other countries, much more so than the common wasn't just conservative politicians saying stay, it was ALL politicians, both liberal and conservative, it was also celebrities and others that are in the position of knowing how these things work
2016-06-26 04:57:57 UTC
I'm anti-global warming, but pro democracy, so for that reason of course I'm against the EU.

Although I did agree with some of their issues on the environment, it wasn't enough to sway me against the democratic process. I believe it is very important for the common people be able to have a say, as they rightfully should. If the people want to convert to renewables of course they should have that right, but the people should be the ones voting for it.
2016-06-28 11:51:52 UTC
EU supports the weak
2016-06-25 08:49:07 UTC
No politicians in Britain question global warming.
2016-06-25 13:12:50 UTC
2016-06-25 12:57:42 UTC
2016-06-25 12:16:09 UTC
I was expecting for us not to leave the EU but **** it the elderly voted for leaving EU WHYYY!!
2016-06-25 11:06:44 UTC
Those who said to stay also happen to have a lot of education. IDK if this is related to level of education, but the Scottish wanted to STAY in the union too. That didn't seem to be split along income lines. When almost all climatologists accept this reality and common sense tells you that between traffic, factories, household needs, along with massive polution, why would you believe some politician whose got lobbyists telling him what to think/say?

As far as the Indepence vote, the elitist politicians may be snobby and out of touch in most things, but they are familiar with how the economy runs and all the rules/regulations involving other countries, much more so than the common wasn't just conservative politicians saying stay, it was ALL politicians, both liberal and conservative, it was also celebrities and others that are in the position of knowing how these things work.
2016-06-25 10:14:01 UTC
People who know the truth about what is actually going on in the world know that global warming is just a scare tactic to tax and control the population. Anyone living in the UK who wasn't for leave was a fool. We were tired of the unelected technocrats who exclude themselves from their own regulations and taxes that they create behind closed doors. These are the same people who use global warming as a way to control the population.
2016-06-25 08:32:26 UTC
Always. There's always exceptions and things. Not a lot tho
2016-06-25 08:23:03 UTC
They have begun a new con, Global Cooling.
Hey Dook
2016-06-25 07:57:22 UTC
Other than Nigel Farage and UK Independence Party (c. 5% of UK) how much evidence is there of any such close link?
2016-06-25 07:40:51 UTC
Most "skeptics" are jingoists and confused by quantitative arguments, so that fit in perfectly with the "Leave" camp.

I wonder if anyone has done a calculation on how many trillions of dollars of the world's wealth evaporated yesterday in the aftermath of the vote?

The European Union definitely has problems, though, because it was sort of a "United States of Europe" without actually having a federal government with real powers. I think many of the "skeptics" think that they'd be better off with more state and less federal government--personally I'd love to see how well some state like Kansas or even Texas would do on its own.
2016-06-25 07:34:37 UTC
muslims are dominant
2016-06-25 06:53:16 UTC
Remain voters tend to look at facts, where as Leave voters tend to think they know better than everyone else - even though the people they think they know better than have spent most of their lives studying their subject. This is a harsh view, but one that at times can be argued. The problem is failing to provide people with factual unbiased information, and both sides of the argument are guilty of not doing this.
2016-06-25 06:42:33 UTC
It's because ****** Muslims are going to hell
2016-06-25 03:05:55 UTC
oh yeah
2016-06-25 03:02:47 UTC
What's a global warmer?
2016-06-25 02:27:08 UTC
uk should leave
2016-06-25 00:43:40 UTC
To be frank, it's because they're both liberal beliefs. They're both part of the whole authoritarian 'Listen and BeLIEve' deal, where you're expected to trust big brother government with no hesitation. However, it's changing. The populism movement is occurring, I guess. People are becoming more aware. This is only the beginning. Hopefully we can get Merkel and other liberal leaders whoare destroying the world out of office.
2016-06-24 16:47:09 UTC
Moron, that's one of the smallest parties in the UK.

Most people in the UK aren't science denier morons.
2016-06-24 14:42:04 UTC
Well they both share a love of big governments which rides rough shot over the common folk and they both despise accountability and democracy
2016-06-24 11:04:25 UTC
Some people are more easily led than others.

Some, e.g. Obama, will just latch on to a headline. For instance, 97% of climate scientists etc. A sceptic will look at the paper and note that it was a survey of paper abstracts and not scientists. How was the conversion from papers to scientists performed? They might also look at the data and note that only 0.5% of abstracts claimed that man was mainly responsible. Sceptics then ask how 0.5% can be turned into 97%. What statistical magic took place?

Same with the EU. We were told that World War 3 was going to be a consequence of leaving. OK, so what anticipative measures were they taking? None was the stern reply. So does that sound like they believe it or does it just sound like scaremongering?

Then we had the last minute, staged, negotiations. Unfortunately, someone let out that it was all staged. Cameron's requirements were reduced and reduced until the main issue was how long after arrival would immigrants be able to claim benefits. Really? That was not in anyone's top ten list of requirements. It was all show that was hyped up to claim a victory by the UK over the EU - and it was not even a signed deal.

So, yes, sceptical about the man-made influence on climate change and sceptical about the EU.

To put the EU situation into context for my US friends: Would you vote to join an all Americas Union (including North, Central and South) that would place another court above your supreme court and hand down all your substantive laws. Would it help if the government was based in Nicaragua and was populated by highly paid politicians and bureaucrats of whom you had never heard and most of whom were not US nationals. Oh, and by the way, you cannot vote them out.
2016-06-24 09:22:15 UTC
It is a political issue. Leftists tend to support remaining in and are much more likely to be warmistas. As a wealthier nation, Britain would tend to pay more in a union where redistribution of income is sought. IMO, what happens is Greece, Italy, Spain, and lots of others spend more than they have and then they expect the wealthier countries to bail them out. There have been some bank bail outs already. I was surprised they left since it was apparently losing in the polls. Maybe Britain can move back to a freer society without the rest of the EU dragging it down. I hope it goes that way. And the immigration issue matters too. Losing control of your borders has a way of threatening your economy, culture, and future.
2016-06-25 05:06:52 UTC
A poll showed that 18% of leave voters and 10% of remain votes disagreed with the statement: “human activity is causing climate change.”

So the the answer to "Are there any global warmers in Britain who supported leaving the EU?" is Yes.

The answer to the question "Any skeptics who supported Remain?" is Yes

As to the question "Why are the two so closely linked?" While there is a link, there is obviously far more going on then the acceptance or rejection of global warming or even the acceptance or rejection of the scientific method in general.
2016-06-25 03:34:04 UTC
I'm sure that skeptics voted to remain because they see that global warming is a Conspiracy to make the UK warmer. When that happens, its people will become darker (also thanks to interbreeding with dark-skinned immigrants) and the country will become lazier, like Greece, Italy, and Spain. If more Africans arrive (and the additional dark skins will contribute to further warming) it may become almost like sub-Saharan Africa. This is the goal of the global-warming Conspirators.
2016-06-25 01:42:06 UTC
Climate change is real, BUT the amount attributed to the activities of man is overstated. Most of the damage is natural such as volcanoes and cyclic climate variation, it is being used as a tool to tax us all. In the UK we have a levy on electricity to pay a subsidy to those with money to spare, to fit solar panels to their houses, while the poorer consumer is penalised by higher pre payment tarriffs and this levy. I could afford to take advantage of the subsidy but I cannot justify the cost to the less well off. As for the EU, they do not listen to their members, ie the people, hidden in their ivory tower in Srasburg and isolated from reality, these buffoons pass laws none of us want and charge us all a fortune for the honour of pissing us about, yes I voted leave, the EU is rattled as both France and Germany are also lining up to leave. Without massive change in the EU it is doomed to fail, burdened by the impoverished states it has allowed to join and by an uncontrolled flood of immigration. Yes I am a Liberal, even a bit Socialist, if that is what it means to care for your own country and those who live in it.
2016-06-25 01:36:54 UTC
i also think that this is a political issue, but i am against leaving the EU.
2016-06-24 16:20:06 UTC
It is happening world wide now, people are now able (because of the internet) to find out a lot more than they are told, the authoritarian 'we know best' is not working anymore, people are becoming more skeptical of all those in authority (quite rightly)

Your question is about gullibility, do you believe what the EU tells you? do you believe what your told about global warming? do you just accept what your told by people in authority (government leaders, scientists so on) or do you want to think for yourself.
2016-06-27 20:44:53 UTC
I believe in anthropogenic global warming. Love Europe, can't stand the EU. I believe people should be as mobile as capital. I helped a Syrian refugee get into Europe in the face of EU officials who were treating refugees like cattle and locking them up in old communist prison camps. "The jungle" is in Calais, which is in the EU, under their jurisdiction.

Leaving the EU may well harm me financially, it will probably cause me legal problems as I live in mainland Europe. I hope that Brexit causes the whole EU to collapse. It's a corrupt, crumbling empire and it has only been in existence for a few decades. What would it be like if it continued for another century? Reforming the EU from within is just wishful thinking

I travelled extensively around Eastern Europe, met ordinary people, witnessed slave labour, and on occasion I spoke with EU officials. They didn't have a clue what was happening and they didn't care. They pumped funding into the biggest cities and left small towns and villages to rot. They dished out money to the corrupt and unworthy and rigged markets in favour of the biggest multinational businesses.

I obtained a small amount of EU funding for an NGO, but it was, frankly, a pittance and the procedure for getting it involved a year's work and so much paperwork that we only broke even because of a friendly local recycling center which bought our waste paper. This funding was supposed to help the rural economy, but most of the money went, one way or other, to big business: stationers, telecommunications companies, big supermarkets etc. Putting people behind desks in a city seemed to be high priority.

One incident amongst many prompted me to report corruption. A charlatan masquerading as an environmentalist was attempting to divert and steal the public water supplies in his area for his own use. I later found out that him and his partners in crime had received funding as part of an international project setting standards for "sustainable community water use". The EU anti-corruption agency responded that it wasn't a big enough problem to "significantly impact their budget". Lies and hypocrisy were not something they cared about. But of course the really big time corruption isn't going to get investigation by EU officials, because EU officials and politicians are the guilty parties.

I watched as Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU and saw that every time the EU "regulated" something, the standards dropped and the public got screwed. First dairy farming was regulated and most of the Bulgarian dairy farmers went out of business or went underground, selling milk in reused plastic bottles from car boots. The EU declared that the country had a milk shortage because the supermarkets couldn't find enough licensed milk producers. They were completely oblivious to the pensioners milking their own cows and goats, supplying their families from the vast areas of grass in this underpopulated country, and when they realised, they tried to regulate them out of existence, offering 5 euros a year for each ear tagged and registered goat. Baiting the mousetrap. Giving with one hand and taking with the other. Meanwhile the cheese which had once been a prized delicacy got "cut" with vegetable oil.

Alcohol was regulated next. The local beers, made simply from water, malt and hops were one by one bought out by Carlsberg and Heineken. There were crackdowns on homemade wine and brandy, and then the country was flooded with fake alcoholic drinks. I remember opening a shop bought bottle of wine to find that it was a watery mix of sugar, food colouring and god knows what else.

The Brexit vote brought out the lunatic fringe in force, the racists, conspiracy theorists and global warming deniers.

But in many respects Britain is already more liberal, more environmental, more egalitarian than the EU requires. It's certainly more democratic. It's not the EU that has done this, it's the British public, and all across Europe you will find similar stories. The EU has imposed itself like a dead weight onto civil society. The pressure groups with the most funding and connections get the loudest voices, but the causes remain the same and it is ordinary people that drive for change.

I don't want to hear that an environmental lobby group has received money from the EU, to publicise, lobby and ask the EU to do something about global warming. This is a feedback loop and it achieves very little except making the most opportunistic person in the environmental group into the EU's pet. I want people to stop polluting so much. End of story.

Nigel Farage is an elitist rich kid. The only difference between him and Cameron is his view on Europe.

Getting back to the point, Jeremy Clarkson spoke up for remain. I'm guessing he doesn't believe in AGW, but I don't know for sure as I always regarded him as an amusing troll and never paid him much attention.

Many years ago I took part in a demonstration against the EU with a coalition of various left wing environmental groups including one called the Green socialists. There were about 10 of us in total :-) heavily outnumbered by right wingers. The aim was to show that not all opponents of the EU were right wing nationalists, and we failed miserably. However, surveys have shown that trade unionists for instance are highly sceptical of the EU. Many anarchists are both anti EU and environmental. For whatever reason, right wingers are dominating the debate against the EU, while left wing and environmental opponents of the EU are numerous but not vocal.
2016-06-29 03:40:12 UTC
Leaving the EU means less paperwork, less paper to burn, therefore slightly less global warming.
2016-07-02 07:58:39 UTC
Are there any GLOBAL WARMERS in Britain to begin with??????
2016-06-27 13:27:09 UTC
Climate destabilisation is real. Look at the data. Look at the evidence.

More than happy to discuss further.
2016-06-29 15:50:56 UTC
Knock it off, idiot. Unless you have scientific credentials yourself, you don't mean crap to me if you googled something and you found a site that agreed with you.
2016-06-30 06:51:14 UTC
Вы трещины?
2016-07-05 03:41:19 UTC
They aren't.
2016-06-29 17:17:27 UTC
I fail to see the correlation.
Brionte Maxwell
2016-07-01 12:10:14 UTC
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2016-06-30 02:35:15 UTC
They are frightened of David Cameron,s reside?(!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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2016-06-25 21:05:02 UTC
yes . may be
2016-07-05 13:08:20 UTC
**** off
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