Question:
with headlines like this how is it global warming?
My Name Is Cookie
2009-06-23 18:44:43 UTC
I don't understand this headlines from all over the US saying how cold its been for June and the reason is global warming????!!!!! why would global warming make it colder???? please tell me thank you!♥♥♥

DENVER -- Residents of Colorado's Front Range awoke Friday morning to frost-covered windshields as temperatures dropped to the lowest readings in over 50 years.
from
www.thedenverchannel.com/weather/13467296/detail.html


With snowplows in the mountain passes and the Seattle area's coldest June start in recorded history, the Northwest's freakishly chilly June
from
www.thedenverchannel.com/weather/13467296/detail.html


Coldest June on Record in Chicago
from
right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2009/06/15/67902.aspx

Coolest June Since 1913 in Phoenix
from
livescience.com/.../etc/090622-coolest-june-since-1913-phoenix.html

Wet June Near Record for Reno
Posted: 9:56 AM Jun 18, 2009
Last Updated: 9:56 AM Jun 18, 2009
21 answers:
wilds_of_virginia
2009-06-24 07:18:30 UTC
Here's a few more headlines to put things into perspective:



"Crops under stress as temperatures fall"

It cites problems in all of the U.S., Canada,Norway, and Saudi Arabia in the Northern Hemisphere; and New Zeland, Australia, and Brazil. but those are just local reports, I know. Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5525933/Crops-under-stress-as-temperatures-fall.html



Here are some even better ones, all from the New York Times:

September 18, 1924

"MacMillian Reports Signs of New Ice Age:



March 27, 1933

"America's Longest Warm Spell Since 1776. Temperature Line Records a 25 Year Rise" (sound familiar?)



May 21, 1975

"Scientists Ponder why World Climate is Changing; A Major Cooling Widely Considered to be Inevitable"



December 27, 2005

"Past Hot Times Hold Few Reasons to Relax About New Warming"

http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/fireandice.asp



So if history is any guide, the Times will be writing an apocolyptic headline about the next ice age in about 2035.



But for now, let's all cower in fear from the impending disaster du jour, which is warming, not cooling.



-Wilds
Bill
2009-06-23 19:12:29 UTC
I know it is confusing, but you can't understand this complex issue by looking at temperatures. Just know these things and you will be ok:



Man is causing this problem that will cause bad things.

It will make climate change...either hotter or colder...we will see.

It all comes about from our wasteful lifestyle and use of fossil fuels.

America causes the most harm.

Big business and SUV's are bad.

Teepees and doing things that make you feel like you are helping stop global warming are good (you can buy carbon credits to live a carbon neutral life and you can then burn as much carbon as you want, but you will still be doing good)

Al Gore is smart. Republicans are dumb and mean spirited.



Hope that helps. Your problem is you were getting too bogged down in the science end of it...leave that to the politicians and the professionals.
anotherme
2009-06-24 03:53:57 UTC
The answer is simple. Global warming can change the climate all over the world.
eric c
2009-06-24 06:25:15 UTC
Here in Europe people are saying how temperatures have been in the teens when normally they should be in the mid twenties. The satellite record shows that it has cooled substantially, but yet people continue to trust data shown by Dana, and distrust the satellite ones.
Chris B
2009-06-23 20:05:59 UTC
Simply, weather is not climate.



Climate is long term weather trends (as in, decades).



Additionally, your last two links are dead. So your claims are currently baseless.



PS: A local minimum in the solar cycle along with a strong La Nina effect have an excellent masking effect on the true extent of warming. Of course, that's why experts' graphs typically have multi-year averages constructed instead of relying on single points of data. (And it's from these graphs that they overwhelming agree that there is warming going on and humans are contributing to it -- see sources.)



Edit: @Ottawa Mike: Temperatures are determined by multiple trends (increasing greenhouse effect, cyclical solar cycles, cyclical La Nina/El Nino trends, etc). Just like sound waves, their combination can either be constructive or destructive. When the two cycles sync up, they are constructive and can provide an exceptionally hot or cold year, relative to what the greenhouse gases would dictate the temperature to be.



For example purposes, we can model this simply with an equation like



y = x + 2 * sin(x) + sin(x/2)



where x represents a linear increase in temperature (representing increased greenhouse gas-induced warming)



and where {2 * sin(x)} and {sin(x/2)} represent two cycles with different amplitudes (ie influence) and periodicity.



By adding them we see many periods of local extrema, but we also see that each local extrema is larger than the respective (ie min-min or max-max) one that preceded it.



We could also evaluate this fact without even considering the graph. Anyone who has done trig knows that y = sin(x) has an upper bound of 1 and a lower bound of -1. It repeats with a period of 2*pi infinitely. This is a cyclical function. That is how cycles work: They repeat the same graph over and over. The simple transformations I made to the equation means nothing -- I merely increased the bounds by a factor of two for one term and I doubled the period of the other term. Ultimately, this does not change the fact that they stay within the bounds.



So if we look at the overall trend of the line, it is clearly just y = x. It is clearly increasing when you smooth out the inconsequential bumps. Solar variation and La Nina/El Nino are simply bumps. The greenhouse effect, ever increasing by our release of greenhouse gases, is the core of the trend.



Simply, we are warming. By looking at the bumps that constructively point downwards and saying "nuh uh", you are simply failing (perhaps deliberately) to see the full picture.
iraqisax
2009-06-23 21:27:44 UTC
Twenty five years ago is was the New Ice Age we were entering. Then it was Global Warming. Then it was Global Climate Change.



One way to tell when people are lying: their story keeps changing.
Rio
2009-06-23 20:43:20 UTC
I see the typical (alarmist) are out in full force. Yes it's weather if it's cool, but if it's warm it's climate change. This has been rehashed so many times, I'm surprised that they are still making those silly statements. They've had 30+ yrs to accumulate regional averages without any discrepancies. By now it should have fine tuned within a nanosecond, but they prefer to play both sides of the field.
pegminer
2009-06-23 21:00:02 UTC
Those headlines mean nothing. You're talking about weather and not climate. Here's a headline from today also:



Heat wave records break across Florida

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=108255



The heat in Florida doesn't prove global warming; the cold elsewhere doesn't disprove it.
Richard the Physicist
2009-06-24 06:18:31 UTC
Well, if you're going to play the weather game, here is my response. Heat wave in Kansas City...



http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1271409.html



What's the lesson here? Don't look at weather when climate is the important factor!
2009-06-23 21:02:19 UTC
Have humans been on Earth long enough to calculate climate change that has been happening to the Earth 4.2 billion year age?



A Glacier once covered 3/4 of North America, but has been melting for 25,000 years, long before industrialized humans have occupied the planet. what was melting it back then?



Poster above, says water shortage,,,,there is no such thing.

Your water is just someplace else right now, don't worry, it will be back.
Susie Cream Cheese
2009-06-23 19:09:34 UTC
Well whether it's global warming or not, it doesn't matter. We shouldn't care about how things are going to get bad. We need to just make sure that it doesn't happen, and I think it's pretty obvious that pollution, and such aren't having good affects, so if they have to tell you your skin is going to burn off for you to believe it, then so be it :]

Some people even think we are going to go into an ice age....

So who knows...
MaintenanceMan
2009-06-23 18:58:58 UTC
For centuries the world has experienced trends. It is all NORMAL, many things can be done to protect our enviroment and that is always a good idea. But to purchase carbon points is a scam and the con-artists attempting to make MILLIONS with crooked law makers is another way to bilk people out of thier hard earned money. Alot of changes are made to CREATE INCOME one way or another under false information, be your own judge MOST of us understand this and can see right through the gibberish. It is just the loud mouths think they can make us believe the garbage if they keep pumping to the liberal TV programs.
antarcticice
2009-06-23 19:24:45 UTC
Sorry but something called "right-mind.us/blogs/" is not a headline it is a blog and as none of the "links" in your question work it is difficult to comment.

The livescience reference I looked up on google the content of that story also happen to mention that May was unusually warm, that's weather for you.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/etc/090622-coolest-june-since-1913-phoenix.html
Ben O
2009-06-23 20:49:01 UTC
Actually the whole world has been cooling for a while with 1998 the hottest year on record.



The believers have an excuse for everything, global warming is a doomsday cult.
Rich
2009-06-24 07:36:56 UTC
It's fun to listen to them try to weasel out of their rock-solid claims of scientific predictions.
Ottawa Mike
2009-06-23 20:32:45 UTC
"The current cooling is simply masking the real global warming due to CO2 emissions."



I'm just repeating what I read, which is a popular statement, so somebody is going to have to interpret that for me because I can't understand that one.



I do understand anomalies. But statistically, I'm not sure how many anomalous years of lower temperatures it will take to become significant.
David
2009-06-23 19:18:28 UTC
Who says it's from global warming? Anyone who suggests this doesn't understand the science, as not a single climatologist would make such a claim.
Author Unknown
2009-06-23 20:32:49 UTC
Denver

Seattle

Chicago

Phoenix

Reno

Maybe you should first look up the definition of "global"
Dana1981
2009-06-23 20:02:53 UTC
You're talking about local weather. There are always going to be local weather variations. Here is what the global temperature is doing:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif



That is global warming.
2009-06-23 19:40:27 UTC
Cold reports have been coming in from around the world... it's cooling.



that we've both noticed, makes us both deniers.



I'm headed up to personally check on a glacier. Last I heard, it's still there.
2009-06-23 18:53:49 UTC
You're going to get responses from the brainwashed masses to not believe your eyes. Believe them.



I'd trust your eyes.


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